The Fabulous Learning Nerds

Scott (00:01.857)
Hey everybody, welcome back to another fantastic episode of your Fabulous Learning Nerds. I'm Scott Schuette, your host, and with me, the man in the chair. You love him, Dan Coonrad, everybody.

Scott (00:15.421)
Dan.

daniel (00:16.238)
the man in the chair man that's true that's true that's true

Scott (00:18.201)
Well, you are technically in a chair, right? And you are the guy behind the scenes making stuff happen, right?

daniel (00:25.25)
I don't know about that.

Scott (00:28.285)
I know you and I know that that's what's going on. I know you make things happen, right? No, you let your leaders know that something bad may happen and that they should be prepared for it. I know you do that too. And that's what the man in the chair does. Like, hey, around that corner is a big giant monster and you should be ready for it, right?

daniel (00:32.583)
They're not wrong.

daniel (00:41.898)
Wow, sometimes, sometimes.

daniel (00:51.146)
I mean, sometimes. Sometimes.

Scott (00:53.729)
Speaking of big giant monsters, I nerded out yesterday and spent two hours with my big favorite giant monster.

Scott (01:06.178)
Yep, yep. Man, that was fun! Yes!

daniel (01:09.758)
Yeah? You're talking, I mean like, I mean, I know you're talking about Godzilla, but just make sure we're all on the same page. How was it? The new Godzilla movie?

Scott (01:14.989)
Yeah. The Godzilla minus one is a lesson to Hollywood in how to write a good movie. Ha ha ha!

daniel (01:21.014)
You are the second person I have heard say almost exactly that same verbiage. That's awesome. I don't have a lot of time for movies Scott. I can't have you telling me about great movies that now I gotta go see. You're ruining my weekend.

Scott (01:39.041)
No, no, just make time for it or not. I've seen every Godzilla movie ever. I've got a section of my man cave devoted to the big lizard thing. And I love him, he's great. Most of the time they're just dumb, fun at the movies. I grew up on that. I grew up sitting right in the front row watching Godzilla drop kick Megalon, if you remember that movie. That was great. I don't wanna nerd out too much.

But this is like a very adult version of what's going on with characters that you actually care about. My wife is not a huge Godzilla fan. She's watching this going, that was a good movie. I'm sorry.

daniel (02:15.598)
Heheheheheheh

Scott (02:16.985)
That was a really good movie. Like, you know, you have the action set pieces and normally the way that they tell all Zilla stories, Zilla shows up, the humans react, they try to fight back, it doesn't work out, they go and they commit and they figure it out and they have the big scene at the end. Well, the in-between parts of those movies are yawn-fest. Normally, they're like, I don't know if I like that. This was like, no, I'm really invested in what's going on, it was very cool. Everybody should go do that. And like I said, it's just...

Storytelling is important. The analogy here, folks, is important because how we tell stories is important. And every piece of that story is important. And so, at any rate, yeah.

daniel (02:55.85)
That dude, I feel like that is like, was that a purposeful setup? That was the perfect setup for today's conversation. That's amazing.

Scott (03:03.125)
It kinda is, it kinda is, but we're gonna get into that. But the other Z person that I love so much is also here with us, and you love her, but she's not a big giant lizard. Zeta's in the house, everybody!

Scott (03:25.337)
See you girl.

Zeta (03:26.853)
Scott, did you know that I am a giant lizard? Some days, some days, usually on Mondays though.

Scott (03:29.814)
You are!

Scott (03:34.743)
Yeah.

Scott (03:39.25)
Mondays. You know, every other day is a yay for me. It's kind of my thing. Hey, it's Friday. I don't do it on Monday. It's Monday. There's no why.

daniel (03:40.182)
the

Zeta (03:45.421)
Ooh, it's just Monday. I get that, I feel that. Yeah, today is definitely like Friday. Definitely, love it.

daniel (03:47.438)
Hahaha

Scott (03:53.741)
Today, yes, for sure. So how's your week been? Good.

Zeta (03:56.973)
It's been pretty good. It's been pretty good, pretty eventful. Have not seen Godzilla yet. It is on the list. Definitely wanna go see it. Have heard so many raving reviews about it, but just awesome. Yeah.

Scott (04:02.574)
Mm.

Scott (04:10.293)
It is. It is. And yeah, I'm super excited to see how we're going to tie this all together with the topic of the week, folks. So I want Dan to get into that, keeping in mind that storytelling is important and how we tell stories is great and can make a significant impact on the overall outcome of the experience. And so it's going to bring us to our topic of the week.

Scott (04:39.629)
This week we're talking about storyboards, believe it or not. Why storyboards? Now, I will admit that a lot of times, well, most of the time, if not all the time, when I'm asked to create something, I go back to the well. I'll make an outline for sure. I'm going to make an outline for sure. We're going to start at the end, like what's going to be new, better, or different when we're done. And from there,

I just build baby. I take out a PowerPoint and I'm just throwing stuff against the wall. And then usually I hand it over to somebody else to make it pretty. And that's that. And then when it's done, D for done, right? So we're done. Done is better than perfect. And that's cool. And then Dan, you introduced me to this idea of storyboarding it out, which is awesome. And so today we are going to talk about the value of that and why everybody should be doing it. And so go ahead and tell us.

Tell us why we should be doing storyboards, sir.

daniel (05:38.818)
Man. Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to start, uh, where all good stories begin at the beginning. So when I became an instructional designer, I was definitely, um, you know, that wasn't my background. It wasn't where I started. And so, and the person who taught me was like, Oh yeah, make sure you storyboard your stuff. And then that would be the end of it. Like I'm like, well, it's a storyboard. And so I'd look it up.

and like I'd see like these really ornate, really long, really in-depth things. And I'd be like, phew, nobody's got time for that. And so I would just, like Scott, you talked about like, oh, I'm gonna build an outline, I'm gonna do it. Like I was even worse. I was like, all right, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna build the deck and then I'm gonna go back to the beginning and I'm gonna go over it again. And I'm gonna go do that over and over and over again until it was good. Basically, I accidentally did Sam.

over and over and over. And that was like my development process. Like I would look at people and be like, oh yeah, I'm on my fifth pass of this deck. And they'd be like, what's wrong with it? And I'd be like, nothing. I just, I gotta polish it, gotta get it right. Another four or five passes, good to go. And people would look at me like I was crazy. And it wasn't for the longest time until somebody was like, why don't you just storyboard? And I'd be like, ugh.

No, that's a lot of extra work. Why would I storyboard? Well, I've got so much other work to do. I don't have time for that. I'm going through four or five passes of this deck. I don't have time to add storyboarding on top of that. And then what happened is I had a place in experience. I was in a spot in my career where somebody's like, hey, I really need to see this before it's done.

Like I need a sign off stage and I was like, oh, okay. Well, crap, how do I storyboard? And then I basically was like, all right, cool. I'm gonna storyboard. I've got to build a storyboard because I've got to send it to this person. And I storyboarded it. I sent it over, they looked at it. They made their edits. They sent it back. I was like, okay, great, I can do that. And then I built the deck. And then I polished it one time and then it was done.

daniel (08:04.386)
And I'm gonna drop a rare curse word because I was like, shit, that's awesome. Why didn't I do this sooner?

And yeah, that's how I got into storyboarding. I think that's how a lot of people also get into storyboarding.

Zeta (08:25.741)
They basically stumble into storyboarding. Storyboarding is amazing, though. If you think about it on a very basic level, it's like a comic book. You've got all the basic elements. You've got your visual. You've got your text. You've got the flow. You've got sometimes narration. It gives you everything that you need. And it doesn't have to be complex, does it? It can be simple.

daniel (08:28.268)
Yeah.

Scott (08:38.819)
Mm.

Zeta (08:54.925)
It could be, hey, this is the position of where your content is. This is the images that you're using. This is the text that you're gonna include. It doesn't have to be too complex unless it becomes something complex like that you need to actually give to your stakeholders and they can check it off, right?

daniel (09:13.43)
I, go ahead. I was gonna, I was just, no, 100%. It's, I have worked plenty of places. That sounds wrong when you say it like that. I've worked with plenty of groups where people are underneath the impression that they don't have time for storyboarding. And I've been in that, I've been in that group. I've worked for a company whose pace of development is-

Scott (09:16.31)
No, that's fine. Continue, Dan.

daniel (09:42.722)
jaw dropping, the amount of content that was getting put out in a week is like insane. And so people would ask us for storyboards and I would look at them and be like, no, not unless you want to add a week to that deadline. But what I didn't know at the time, and like because I felt the crunch and it's tough to think when you're in the middle of like a big crunch, is that storyboard is an amazing tool to build a quick.

ish first draft, get your words down on the page and then hand off to somebody and say, Hey, here's the storyboard. I want you to approve this document. And then they approve it. And then you've got your you've got your CYA material. You've got you've got your shield like, hey, you approve this. And now you're wanting these edits. I just need you to explain to me what change happened between there and now.

Scott (10:39.381)
Mm-hmm. Well, I think that's great. And you're right. Like we, I don't have time to do a storyboard. Like you don't have time not to do a storyboard is what I'm hearing you say. Like same thing happened with video long time ago and previously if I did video production, we never did a storyboard, never ever. And we were turning videos, oh my God, in a week. But that was back in the day, getting the studio, film your talent, you know.

daniel (10:47.457)
Uh-huh.

daniel (10:51.819)
Yes.

Scott (11:06.449)
I make sure it's all good and then spend two days, three days, whatever in, in an editing suite with a guy or a gal that knew what they were doing, they built it all together and then I can't tell you how many times we get done and people were like, ah, I don't need this anymore. Or everything's changed. So all that effort would go away. So I really loved that. I'm going to back up for one second. Like I'm talking to the audience, right? Like, great. How do I build a storyboard? I mean, what tools do you use to build a storyboard?

daniel (11:32.034)
man.

Scott (11:35.745)
What should it look like? Am I using a PowerPoint? And then I'm just gonna go ahead and print out a three slide deal. How do I build that out? Help me out. Where do I go? Where do I start? How do I get started doing this?

daniel (11:51.45)
I'll tell you what I use and then, I don't know Zeta, if you want to chime in on like how you do it. So I have, I have my, my journey to storyboarding began exactly what you just said. Like, all right, cool. Let me open up the slide deck. All right. I need to talk about this, make a slide. Oh, I need to cover these things too. Make a slide, make a slide, make a slide, make a slide. And when I'd be done, I'd have like 20, 25, mostly blank slides with a title at the top.

Zeta (11:55.748)
Sure.

daniel (12:20.606)
And I'm like, all right, cool. What has to happen on this slide? All right, well, this has to happen. All right, well, here's some text. And then this has to happen. And then by the end of that second pass, I'd have like a whole bunch of text. And then I'd be like, all right, what do I wanna see on this slide? I need an image of two people shaking hands. Okay, image two people shaking hands. Great, on the slide, on the slide, on the slide, on the slide. And what was happening is a storyboard, I was building a storyboard.

And then I would call that my first or second pass, you know, like, oh, I'm building this deck and I'm on my first or second pass. But what I had actually built, but because I didn't know any better was a storyboard you can build in PowerPoint. You can do it exactly like that. Topic, topic, text, image, image. Just like, those are the things I need. Great. And then you can hand that to somebody and they can look at it and be like, oh yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. But I'm going to say you can.

get down even a step sooner, you can open up a Google Sheet, open up a Google Doc, a Word Doc, whatever you want, and just at the top, presentation title. Underneath that, purpose. This is what this deck is supposed to do. It doesn't need to be your full objective statement. Just like, what is this doing, right? And then you go into your slides. Okay, slide one. What is slide one? Slide one.

Scott (13:21.921)
Mmm.

daniel (13:47.662)
is introductions. Great. I'm not going to put any text there. I'm just going to say, what is the purpose of this slide? To introduce everybody. Great. Done. I'm not going to put any text in there. I'm not going to put any images in there. I'm just saying, this is what this is. And I'm going to go through and I'm going to do title purpose, title purpose, title purpose.

Instead of taking a few hours to build like title, text, image, I'm going to take 30-ish minutes. Title, purpose, title, purpose, title, purpose, title, purpose. Do all of my purposes I've put in those slides meet the goal, the goal, the purpose at the top of the whole presentation? And I'm going to go through and be like, well, I like this. Daniel wants to talk about this. I think this is cool.

but it doesn't meet the purpose. Cut, toss. Ooh, you know what? I don't talk, I've got this and this is my purpose, but I don't have a slide that really like brings it home. Oh, well I better add a slide. Title, purpose, great. Then from there, and I've got purpose, I can start putting in quick blurbs. And I'm gonna tell you guys, those quick blurbs for me often turn into the words on the slide. I can get to the facilitator notes and everything later, but I'm gonna quick blurb.

Zeta (14:38.671)
Mm.

daniel (15:05.142)
but purpose turns into a quick word. Couple words, boom, couple words, boom, couple words, boom. And at that point, I may hand that to a stakeholder, like, hey, are we heading in the right direction? Do you like what we're talking about? Do you like what's going on? I'm feeling extra frisky. I may say, this is the image on the slide. And then I may say, okay, cool. Here's the facilitator notes. Here's the things I want the facilitator to say. So for those of you guys out there who are...

building outlines or you're just doing what I used to do and just like, I just build a draft until it's done. That first pass, that pass after the outline or that first pass when you're building the deck, you're building a storyboard already. You can take that storyboard, hand it to your stakeholder and say, hey, do you like the direction I'm heading? Can you take a quick look? Is my tone right? Is the verbiage right? Are these the things that you want to see?

and that you feel are gonna help us change this behavior, move this goal.

Zeta (16:12.275)
I love that.

So I'm gonna take a blank deck, right? Let's just start with PowerPoint, right? I'm gonna take a blank deck and my title. You get the blank, you know, title of slide and where's my text? So the title's gonna be slide one, introduction, purpose, introduce the value of the class, right? That's the purpose.

Zeta (16:32.901)
Oh crap, that worked. Ha ha!

daniel (16:37.77)
Yeah.

daniel (16:56.066)
Yep, yep.

Scott (16:57.493)
Then you can come up with some guess at what the value of the class is.

daniel (17:03.686)
I'm gonna tell you like right now, just as this first pass, as you build this first storyboard, like no, don't get slowed, don't slow yourself down and like start trying to get into the weeds on that first slide. Like I'm not saying that you just, like that you won't come back to that, you will, but get your ideas down. Get from zero to something as fast as possible because when we can see a whole picture,

we can start critiquing it. If you can only see the top corner of the Mona Lisa, you're not sure what's going on. It's not until you zoom out and see everything and you're like, oh, okay, that's the Mona Lisa. I know what this is. Weird crooked smile or go off to the races, great.

Scott (17:48.101)
So we're going to, I'm going to back up. We're going to build our foundation just like a house. We're going to go ahead and we're going to say, here's the title, here's the purpose all the way down. And then when we feel like we've got a pretty good foundation around this story, then we'll go back up and we'll add in kind of what we think. So one example might be this slide's purpose is to introduce the top three features of a product, right? Features or benefits of a product. You would take a stab at what you think those three are, and then you can run that by your me, right?

daniel (18:08.503)
Perfect.

daniel (18:16.341)
Yup.

Scott (18:18.041)
ten, by the way, because that's how they roll, which is fine. What's important to a subject, men, or expert, everybody? Everything is important to subject, men, or expert. So let's remember that that's they're doing their job and they want, you know, ten or eleven. Our job is to whittle it down into what's necessary and provide scaffolding on the back end like, hey, if you want, you want to read more, you want to dive into this nitty gritty thing that this thing does or.

daniel (18:20.359)
Eh, eh. It's true.

Zeta (18:23.568)
Mm-hmm.

Everything. Oh yeah.

daniel (18:26.292)
Everything.

daniel (18:36.306)
I will say.

Scott (18:47.669)
expectation or behavior, then here you go. Go to town. All right. Great. So when do I share my storyboard with my requester, subject matter expert at the end of the foundational piece or at the end of the, here's kind of where I'm thinking piece, or is it a step-by-step thing?

daniel (19:06.454)
the end of, I mean, so I will say, I mean, like, here's the answer nobody likes, it depends. But I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I do. Often, when I've got my title purpose, right, title purpose, and just because I tend to like, start to build things in my head, I'll do title purpose image, because that'll help me with my tone when I start to put like the tone of the text down.

Scott (19:12.962)
I know.

daniel (19:32.99)
And then I'm going to, I told you about the blurb. So if I'm like, Hey, the title of this is introduced the three, you know, features of this product, I'm going to jot down what I think the three features are. I'm going to like feature one, feature two, feature three, right. And that's, that's what then we'll go to the next slide. I'm on the next slide. I'm going to the next slide. And then I'm going to hand that to my stakeholder and I'm going to tell you why I hand it to my stakeholder then in my experience, stakeholders are busy.

The reason why they're asking you to build something is because they don't have the time or the capability to do it themselves. And so when you hand them a whole bunch of full top to bottom storyboard with the facilitator notes, the suggested image, the words on the slide, the flow, the animations, the in-betweens, the full deal, they check out and they don't read it because it's too much and they don't have time. But would I? Yep. So when I, when I hand to a stakeholder.

Zeta (20:28.089)
cognitive overload.

daniel (20:32.782)
What I hand to my SME is title, purpose, blurb, title, purpose, blurb, title, purpose, blurb, title, purpose, blurb. Because most everybody should have time to read that. My SME, to your example, is gonna look at me and be like, hey, we don't cover A, B, and C in this deck. And I'm like, okay, cool, that's good to know. Let me go back and take a look and think of like, if that's really gonna have value for the learner. My stakeholder is gonna say, hey, this is really good.

But do we really think this is gonna fit in the 15 minutes that I've got to train this? Oh, okay, 15 minutes, that's good to know. Well, what would you cut? Well, I don't think we need to know this. Okay, great, well now I can cut this whole section out.

and I've had a conversation, I've got a direction. And then if I'm worried that there's gonna be a lot of shift or I'm worried there's a lot of product or movement or whatever, I will then do the next step of, okay, words on the slide, suggested image, facilitator notes, title, purpose, words on the slide, suggested image, facilitator notes, title, purpose, yada yada, blah, blah. And then I'll hand that back to my stakeholder and say, okay, this is everything.

Please take a time, please review. And then I set a deadline. Please make sure you have this reviewed by the end of Friday at 2.30, or because Monday and Friday deadlines are the worst, Thursday, Tuesday, some deadline where I can say, okay, great. And then I've got approval, I've got rejection, I've got what I need, I can move on to next step.

If I've worked with a stakeholder before and I really know what's going on or I work inside of that business and I know how things work, I might just go, okay, cool, we all saw it, we all know what's going on. I'm off to the races, I'm building.

Scott (22:25.381)
That's cool. Let me ask you a question. This is great stuff. I'm going to ask, no, it's great stuff. So I'm going to ask a question. Asking for, you know, a friend of mine, right? Maybe, right. Um, what you asking for a friend, right? Like what happens when you don't storyboard and you just go and build, right? You just start building when you're a do-ger, you know what do-gers are, right?

daniel (22:29.23)
It's all right.

daniel (22:40.098)
asking for a friend, okay.

Hehehe

daniel (22:55.658)
No. Fraggle Rock! Down to Fraggle Rock.

Scott (22:56.573)
Oh, Fraggle Rock? You never watched Fraggle Rock? The Doosiers were those little creatures that just built, they lived to build, that was their thing. And then, yeah. So if you're just gonna go build, I mean, what happens when you don't?

Zeta (22:56.585)
No, I'm not familiar. Oh my goodness.

daniel (23:03.543)
Yeah.

daniel (23:09.482)
Okay. Do it, because I'll talk forever.

Zeta (23:09.637)
Well, I can jump in on this because I've actually done this. I've made this mistake and I'm okay to share this. I've done a lot of front end work, but then not enough. And so when I actually did all of the work, did all the processes, got all the images in, got everything done, and then sent it, it was not what they wanted. And all that time invested, all that time, care, attention out the window, just like when you were doing your videos, right?

If you don't have a good solid plan on the front end, you end up doing all this work, all this time, efforts wasted. So I mean, if you don't have a good solid structure, if you don't have that foundation, if you don't have the structure of the building that you're planning, and you're thinking about taking out wallpaper, like figuring out the wallpaper of the house before you even have the idea of what the house should look like, you're wasting time.

and you're not getting what's done that's needed to be done.

Scott (24:15.525)
Dan?

daniel (24:16.734)
I 100% agree. And listen, let's say you don't storyboard. Here's what happens. Not a lot. You build, you cycle through, you get a good experience out. Storyboarding helps you save time. It doesn't seem like it, but by putting that time first, it helps you to better organize and structure.

I know a storyboard is going to take me a certain amount of time. I'm going to put a lot of time and effort into that storyboard upfront. Right. But once it's approved and once everybody's seen it and I've got thumbs up from across the board, that's it. I then can just go copy paste, build, copy paste, build. I've got the words, I've got the facilitator notes. If it's I'm storyboarding for a computer based thing. I've got my flow. I've got my words. I've got my structure. I know my transitions. I know what's going on.

I don't have to sit and solve in the middle of the weeds. I don't have to sit down in the middle of the nitty gritty and be like, all right, cool. I've written myself into a corner. Where do I go from here? No, I already solved that. I solved that last week when I built this storyboard and everybody looked at it and everybody said it's great. And so when I get done with it and I take it back to the stakeholder, there's no surprises. The stakeholder goes, oh yeah, we talked about this. This is great.

And if they don't like something, chances are it's gonna be small. Hey, I don't like this transition between slide seven and slide eight. Hey, I don't like the fact that we go from here to here. Okay, cool, well I can change my triggers and I can get us over to here. Like, I can, the changes are gonna be smaller and I'm gonna have a better understanding when an artist paints a picture.

You hear about it all the time. They start with a sketch. Because if you just pick a corner and you start trying to paint a masterpiece, you'll get lost. It's the same thing for building content. Whether you're building learning content or you're building video content or you're building marketing content or whatever. If you just start in a corner and start building, you'll get lost. With enough time, years and experience, you can win it.

daniel (26:38.238)
You can start in that corner and you can like, I got it. I'll tell you right now, like with the time and experience I've got, there are days and times for small enough projects where I just go meh and I just build it. Because I I've done it enough to, to unfortunately survive my own bad habits.

Zeta (27:00.453)
But when you're not seasoned, you need to have those iterations on the front end. That way, you know, you spend your time effectively.

Scott (27:09.554)
I, I would argue and I would challenge people that even if you are seasoned, that this is the process that you go through because it saves so much time. So my experience and the reason why I asked this like every time, I mean, without fail, oh, here's what we want. Great. And the process begins and you build the skyscraper, you build the Taj Mahal. You just build this thing and it's beautiful. It's got all the

daniel (27:14.102)
Yes!

Scott (27:35.433)
all the bells and whistles, it's great. And then you hand it over to your stakeholder, your subject matter expert. Because so much is in there, they take forever to review it. And then fortunately or unfortunately, because there's so much in there already, they add more, which is bad. Less is more folks. I'm telling you straight up, like less is more. Like people think that your audience is coming to a learning with this big

giant bucket just ready to be filled with knowledge, but they don't, they come with a thimble or a coffee cup. Like here's what I've got today, give me what I need. And honestly, just give me something I can execute that I need and make it nice and small and easy for me. And that's not a 30 page deck folks, it's not. But that's what we're building, we're building these beautiful 30 page decks. Well, maybe they're not even beautiful, but they're huge and they get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, just like.

daniel (28:30.734)
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Scott (28:35.577)
Just like, well, you know, just like this guy.

Zeta (28:41.095)
over quantity.

Scott (28:44.057)
You're building Godzilla, folks. That's what you're doing. Don't. He's going to come into your train. He's going to whip his tail. It's just going to be absolutely terrible. Don't do that. I know we kind of story it all. We kind of book ended it all together. That was amazing how that happened. Any other final thoughts to begin to wrap things up? This is great, by the way. Storyboarding is important. Zeta, Dan?

Zeta (28:52.702)
destroy everything.

Zeta (28:58.61)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's awesome. Thanks for watching.

Zeta (29:06.473)
When it comes to storyboarding, you can use almost any kind of tool, but you can basically, if you're gonna try to do any prototyping, try to do it in the authoring tool that you're using. Hit those major points, like what do you wanna include? What's the most important points that you need to share? That would be my suggestion.

daniel (29:27.678)
My suggestion is...

Just start building. Like honest to goodness, just start building, just start making stuff and start thinking about at what point would you share what you're working on with a stakeholder? There's this weird spot between started and complete where you don't wanna share what you're working on with anybody because it's in a ramshackle state. It's got like a bunch of like.

Broken images and it doesn't go anywhere and links are broken. You don't want to share that. The best place to have shared that and gotten feedback from your peers, stakeholders and SMEs was when it was super rough and it was just ideas on a page. And that, that's the goal. The goal is to get feedback and to get and get a direction and see the big picture. I laid out how I do it.

That's the secret, is you can do it, you can build your storyboard whatever way works best for you.

Scott (30:38.981)
Good stuff, everybody. Storyboards, get on it. Build them. Title, purpose, blurb. I love it. Three steps easy, remember, title, purpose, blurb. Daniel-san. Could you do me a favor? Could you let everybody know how they can get ahold of us, please?

daniel (30:50.889)
Yes, Scott.

daniel (30:55.614)
Absolutely. All right, party people, if you haven't already, email us at nerds at the learning nerds.com. Join in on the discussion. If you're storyboarding, tell us about your storyboard. If you haven't storyboarded already, just send us a quick blurb about it. Maybe like the title of how you're going to storyboard, maybe the purpose of how you're going to storyboard, and then maybe like another quick blurb about it. Just an idea. If you are in Facebook, you can find us at learning nerds. For all of our Instagram peeps, fab learning nerds.

And lastly, for more information about us, what we do, and any updates, www.thelearningnerds.com. Scott, back at you.

Scott (31:36.441)
Thanks Dan. Hey everybody, could you do me a favor? Could you go ahead and hit that like button, hit that subscribe button, share this monster of an episode out with your friends, really good stuff in there. All about storyboard, hey, trust me, it's gonna make you better, it's gonna make you smarter, it's gonna save you time, you'll have much better results. Hey, also do me a favor, could you go ahead and leave a review, right? So either Spotify, iTunes, we got some great reviews so far. Leave those for us, let us know we're doing a good job, let us know we're doing a terrible job, doesn't matter either way.

We want to hear from you. We want to get better. That's awesome. With that I'm Scott.

daniel (32:10.72)
I'm Dan.

Zeta (32:12.63)
Zeta.

Scott (32:14.038)
And we're your fabulous learning nerds and we are out.

I think we should do the end again because I fucked it up. With that, I'm Scott.

daniel (32:22.666)
Let's do it, let's do it, let's do it.

Zeta (32:23.317)
you did okay

daniel (32:27.593)
I'm Dan.

Zeta (32:29.506)
Zeta.

Scott (32:30.497)
and we're your Fabulous Learning Nerds and we are out. Okay, great, yay!